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posted by [personal profile] malnpudl at 04:14pm on 08/04/2014
Not you, of course.

It's what I wish I could say to two friends, both of whom routinely ignore rules (and even a fair number of laws -- mostly to do with driving) that they find inconvenient.

What do you do when a friend blithely tells you they're planning to do something unethical?

I am deeply troubled by this at the moment. This person is one of my closest friends, and I was appalled to hear that she was planning to do something that, if discovered, would cause her to be banned for life from competition in something that, while many people would consider it a frivolous hobby, is extremely important to her personally.

There's no reason she'd get caught. No one would be directly harmed. She wouldn't have an advantage over others; she'd merely be competing under conditions that are not allowed under the rules. "It's not like other people aren't doing it, so why shouldn't I?" she asked me, in all seriousness.

Because it's unethical. It's cheating. It's wrong. Why is this not enough?

What do you say to someone like this?

As it happens, I accidentally, in complete ignorance of the scheme, made it impossible for her to do this thing. It would have required certain things to be kept secret, and, having no idea that there was any reason not to talk about these things with mutual acquaintances, I did so. The information is out there; the ethical violation is no longer an option. And I am very glad.

But I'm still terribly distressed that she had planned to do this. I love this person a lot; she's one of my nearest and dearest. And hearing about all of this has made my heart hurt. I don't know what to do with it.
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posted by [personal profile] mific at 12:58pm on 09/04/2014
I don't suppose concepts like ethical relativism help? You know, how we all have somewhat varying ethical standpoints (although often broadly similar within the same cultural group). And we have to figure out, if someone's ethics vary from our own, if we can tolerate it in a live-and-let-live way, or do we draw a line in the sand and say "no" in some way.
Can you figure out how much of your feeling betrayed is about the actual seriousness of what she did, and how much is that you thought you knew her (and that she shared your beliefs) and she's acted in a way you didn't expect and don't agree with?
Anyway...I don't have any answers as you've posed a hypothetical so I've no idea what the issues actually were. So that's pretty useless!
springwoof: a pawprint in the snow (sad)
posted by [personal profile] springwoof at 10:55am on 11/04/2014
Sometimes we have serious disagreements with the people we love. It doesn't mean we no longer love them or that they're no longer worthy of our regard.

Have you shared with your friend that her behavior disturbed you and why it did so? Did you share that it made you unhappy?

If you did, it looks like her response made you even unhappier. If not, why not? Are you afraid of conflict with this person?

This sounds like you'll need to have it out and resolve it or risk losing the friendship--if only through your gradual erosion of trust in her.

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